INTERVIEW
Interview with Daniel Ekeroth, May 2008
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Seldom you find a book review in a metal webzine, mainly because the publications related to metal (especially the worthwhile ones) are pretty scarce. Here you´ve got an exception. I read Daniel Ekeroth´s “Swedish Death Metal” and it´s simply one of the best metal-books ever written. Ekeroth was there, living the scene in the early days of the genre, has death metal running through his veins and has bestowed the world with a straight, non-pretentious book with dedicated fanzine-like writing, providing plenty of fanzine and demo cover art, including a band index where Swedish extreme metal acts related to death metal are listed. Uh, and some pictures are really funny... Until I have enough time to make a complete review, these are the highlights. Therefore, I had no choice: an interview with the author was completely mandatory. Once his musical duties (he plays in Insision and Tyrant) allowed him to suffer my questions, he kindly answered them. Read!
There are not many books about extreme metal. What makes “Swedish Death Metal” stay away from the rest, in your opinion? I think the fact it´s about music is the most outstanding trait (strangely enough, books about music rarely focus just on the music).
I actually have quite a few books about extreme music, but few of them select such an isolated area as Swedish death metal. The closest one I have read is American Hardcore, but even that differs quite a lot from my book. I guess it’s very tempting to write in a sensational way about brutal genres, but I have always felt that the actual music produced is the thing that will have to stand the test of time. In fact, any underground (or “overground”, for that matter) have their fair share of extreme living, drinking, dress-codes, symbols, “philosophy” or whatever. But after the fact, it is what a movement produce that will matter. For me, death metal music was always the real deal. And the music will still make a difference far beyond all those t-shirts, bullet belts, beer cans, gore and inverted crosses. (And as I am writing this, I am wearing a Venom t-shirt...eagerly drinking from a beer can...ha ha!).
Sometimes there is kind of a separation between US-death metal and Swedish death metal fans. Some people despise the Swedish scene while praising yankee bands. This book sets classic US acts as starters of the scene and in a certain way combines both scenes, far away from understating the relevance and importance of American bands. That leads to the next questions: a) Please explain us what were the common points between both countries´ emerging scenes in the early years; b) what had Swedish death metal that US lacked; c) what do you think about brutal death metal fans who ignore or despise classic Swedish acts.
Oh hell, I can basically just guess and speculate here...since I was nowhere near the US during the late 80’s...but I’ll give it a shot. a) I guess all around the world the basic start of an underground genre will always be the same – restless kids want to express themselves as violently as possible, and in the process they break boundaries and create something new and exciting. As for the early death metal years, it was all about tape-trading, making fanzines, searching the world for new exciting bands (which was quite a job in those days when hand written letters was the way of communication). Also, early US bands like Possessed, Autopsy and Death sounded pretty similar to Swedish bands like Grotesque, Nihilist and Dismember. And the beer-drinking was probably just about the same! b) Most importantly – Sweden had the Sunlight Studio. The thick guitar sound created there made Swedish death metal stand out. To me, that particular sound is still what I instantly think of when someone say “death metal”. Also, Swedish bands like Entombed, Dismember and Grave initially had a direct, almost punk approach of song writing. Later another more melodic unique Swedish style grew with At the Gates and Dissection. c) Well, I guess it’s mostly a matter of taste – and in that case I see nothing wrong in it (but personally I think such people miss out on some truly amazing music!). But it can also be “image” or something, where you only listen to one style just to distinguish yourself. In that case, it’s just sad. I mean, Morbid Angel and Entombed are both so great BECAUSE they are so different and unique! Don’t miss any of the styles – and you’ll have a richer life.
The fact Chris Reifert made the foreword shocked me, since their language skills nor his influence on the early Swedish scene are in my opinion really remarkable. I presume it´s more of a sentimental/nostalgic issue his presence here. Why was he the chosen one?
Are you kidding me? Autopsy were GODS in Sweden in the late 80’s!!! I don’t think Dismember would even have existed without them – their chord patterns are almost identical to Autopsy (you know, the riff starts in F and then goes down to E...classic!). Since Reifert played on Death’s first album and created Autopsy – he was my first choice. The fact that he did Murder Squad with members from Entombed and Dismember only made things better! Let’s face it – he was THE man. [I admit Chris´ "tawdry US style" of writing numbed the other factor; I disagree about his influence of the whole subject... ok about the Dismember patterns, but still I think his drumming (especially in Death´s first LP) was not a crucial reference, being Nicke or Estby far more advanced... just my opinion –Fjordi.]
A strong old school feeling is breathen all along the book, and that is one of the good points of the scene back then. How is the underground feeling nowadays? Is the death metal essence less evident than in the old times?
It was new then, so it can never be the same. I mean, we have new underground bands with teenagers now that act and sound just like the old days, but it can never be the same. I don’t think it has anything to do with the death metal essence, it’s just a different world and a different time. Everything is accessible now, nothing is tabu, communication is easy and fast. It is the world that has gotten impersonal, not the scene. But since the scene is in this world, it gets affected... Ah, do you get me? Better fetch another beer before I get too sentimental and boring. [I wish every interview was as boring as this one... –Fjordi.]
A good point about the book is its quite accessible style, without meanders in the narrative, and telling the facts like a die hard fan you are chatting with in a pub. That strengthens the underground vision of the book, far away from academical gestures. Was this intentional, or it just kept going as long as the book was being written, as your natural style?
It was very intentional in one way, but very natural in another. You see, I have written a bunch of pure academic texts at the university and in magazines about art, cinema and music – but at the same time I have always written in a completely different way in fanzines. I tried to write in my natural fanzine style, but with the clarity and disposition of my academic darker half. I think this is the way to write about things – things should be written to read, and they should be fun to read because if they are not, nobody will read them! I really hate when people use “difficult” words in an attempt to sound “clever” and “educated”, I just laugh myself sick at such nonsense. Most texts are written in a complicated way about easy things, while the opposite is the real challenge. And you should try to get a few laughs in along the way!
Now a quite curious question I had in mind while reading the book: what do you think about Finnish old death metal bands like Abhorrence/early Amorphis, Rippikoulu, Funebre or Xysma?
All great, as Demigod, Demilich and the whole lot!! That first Xysma mini-Lp spinned like crazy on my turntable when I was younger, such a great record. I really hope some Finnish crazy head will write the book about Finnish death metal. It would probably be far more entertaining than my book since the Finns are far crazier than the Swedes! Finland rules!
It´s quite interesting your vision about black metal bands, when compared to the Swedish ones. You (and many interviewed characters) see them as boring, compared with the dynamics of Swedish death patterns. At the same time, you remark the blackish melodic trait. However, isn´t that a contradiction, in the sense that melodic music usually is more straight forward, more accessible and therefore, more appealing and entertaining? I´d like you to extend on this topic.
For some reason people think I do not like black metal, and I guess I have myself to blame. I mean, in the narrative of my book black metal kills off my beloved death metal scene – so by association I am against black metal. On the contrary, I was 100% thrilled with black metal in the 80’s. Venom, Mercyful Fate, Celtic Frost and especially Bathory were gods. But as the early Norwegian bands came in the early 90’s, it didn’t seem to be a step forward to me. That they “half-assed rehashed Bathory instead of going forward” was my opinion back then, and the hostile climate just seemed boring. Now, after the fact, I can really see greatness in all of those bands I found lame then. I soon made friends with the guys in Enslaved and Marduk, and I could see that behind the make-up they were just like us. I was narrow minded and stubborn. But generally I still think most black metal is not as extreme and exciting as death metal, and it is because it is often some kind “pop-music”, distorted into extremity. I mean, at heart I like basic riffs and rock chords –not pop-patterns. In my book, Lee Hazelwood is more black metal than Cradle of Filth. In fact, I think most of modern metal has forgotten about the riffs. Riffs have made metal great since the days of Black Sabbath, not harmonies. Just my taste I guess, so I shut up now.
What has been the toughest part or duty in the making of the book? The task of compiling zines and demos, probably?
The fanzines I had, and the tapes were easy to get. What was difficult was trying to get the facts about members and bands correct. Actually, it was impossible. People had different recollections about everything, and the fanzines offered different “facts”. I really had to just let go, and rush blindly to completion. As it seems, I managed pretty good after all – even though the US-edition on Bazillion Points will be corrected quite a lot!
Is there anyone who refused to be interviewed?
Not really - though I could not get hold of some of them!
Once the book was on the stores, and time passed by, would you have changed something on it? Or you simply let everything aside and stopped pondering about if you missed this or that thing?
I am happy with the disposition, so I would not change the basic structure. But I wish that everything could have been 100% correct (but no book can achieve that...not even the phone book!).
Are you willing to make another book on extreme metal? Focused on any other scene, or period, for example.
I would if I could, but this was my movement and my youth. I could never write as personal about another scene, others have to do that.
In my opinion your book is a quite solid source of information about facts concerning the Swedish death metal scene, in opposition to internet. Has the internet meant a lack of reliability, in a certain sense?
In a way yes, since it is hard to understand who is behind the information. But on the other hand you can update easily on the net, so eventually we might have a complete reference source out there. Still, I get headaches reading on a screen. And I love books. When you have a book in your hands, you know who is behind it. He took his time to write it, and someone was willing to release it. If something is wrong in it, who cares? It’s a personal and real piece of work.
Old fanzines are more or less lost in space and time; including covers in the book has been an awesome idea. I think fanzines are the most reliable things to read, since most of major magazines (we all know the names) are absolutely devoted to business being cash-grabber, corporate whores without any real dedication. How do you see the fanzine scene currently?
The fanzine scene of today is so small, and I miss the old days badly. Fanzines have lost their role as a source of information of new music, but they still have a place since they are personal! A good fanzine is written in a way that makes you feel and “live” with the editor. In that sense, we need far more fanzines today...since the “scene” are losing voices...
Some people could compare your book with Michael Moynihan´s “Lords Of Chaos”, in a quite stupid move. Don´t you think a real book about black metal, devoted to the music instead of the environment, had been quite worthwhile? Specially if it was written by someone who had belonged to the scene, like you.
I had fun reading that book, but it doesn’t deal with the music really. One day someone will write a real book about the subject, and I’ll be the first in line to buy it!
I´d like to know what are the strong and weak points of the book, according to reviews you´ve read or opinions you´ve heard.
It’s been mostly good, but some people wish I had put more about the actual life of those days instead of my focus on demos. I can sure see that point. Others think I should have focused more about lyrics, which might be true...but it would not have gone very far I guess. Then some have criticized me for focusing on shallow aspects (music), as I should have been dealing with “philosophy”, ”the occult” or “the dark side of the mind” (or whatever). That’s just bullshit.
In this technological world we are sunk, DVDs are the daily spice. So I´d like to ask you two questions. The first one is if you have thought about making a documentary on Swedish death metal, in the vein of your book, whether you on your own, or working with some other people.
Actually, Yasin Hillborg (once drummer of Afflicted) has made a film called “Så Jävla Metal”, which deals with the topic in some way. It has yet to be released. Also, Jonas Åkerlund (once the drummer of Bathory) is planning a bigger budget documentary about extreme Scandinavian metal, so films will indeed come. [Åkerlund seems to be the right person for that job, really –Fjordi.]
And the other one about metal documentaries goes like this: have you seen Sam Dunn´s “Metal: A Headbanger´s Journey”? In case you have, what do you think about it?
It was pretty cool, and dealt far more with extreme metal than I thought. I especially enjoyed Ronnie Dio’s comments about Gene Simmons! Ghaal of Gorgoroth comes across pretty badly in that film though, he is such a nice guy in real life. All for shocks, I guess.
Time for an off-shot question. The book back cover says Sweden is mostly known by exports such as ice hockey players, vodka and blonde girls. Would you like to comment your personal tastes in each matter, please? Any fave player, Peter Forsberg, Mats Sundin, Nicklas Lidström? Fave vodka? Are really Swedish girls the best?
Lidström went to school with me, and I guess he is actually the best Swedish player ever. But defenders never get the credit, you know (like bass players...). Any vodka will do. Swedish girls are the best (and bass players gets most of them – Joey DeMaio, Lemmy, Gene Simmons...).
The torture has come to an end, so I will leave you the final lines to give us your impressions, rant about this interview or whatever you wish. Thank you and keep up the good work!
Ah, this one took two beers....long time since I wrote anything now, I´m getting out of shape! What can I say to you... Oh, the book will be released in the US through the good cooperation with Ian Christe of Bazillion Points. We will have a release party straight after the At the Gates show in NYC on July 9th, come if you are nearby! Gotta go now, I’m off to Germany to play with my band Tyrant. As Chris would say – take it sleazy, sickos!
Information about the book and the author can be found at
http://www.myspace.com/tamarapress. It´s currently sold out but a license has been given to publishers from US, Germany and Poland. Needless to say this is a quite entertaining book and if you´ve got some interest in Swedish death metal you´ll easily devour its pages one after one, by the star-dogged moon...
- Fjordi