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VULTURE INDUSTRIES INTERVIEW
 flagVULTURE INDUSTRIES - interview with Bjørnar E. Nilsen, February 2008
Hailing from Bergen, Norway, Vulture Industries was assembled in 1998 under the original banner of Dead Rose Garden. 2003 marked the transformation into Vulture Industries, a result of several line-up changes within the ranks. 2007 saw the release of the band's debut album The Dystopia Journals via Dark Essence Records. Recently the band conquered European stages together with Dark Fortress and Helheim.

--Vincent Eldefors, Editor

Hello! Thanks for agreeing to do this interview, and congratulations on a fantastic, critically acclaimed debut album.
No problem! Very glad to hear you like the album. Thanks for the attention :).
It's my pleasure.

Once you became a member of the band, did the evolution from the old Dead Rose Garden sound to what we're hearing now with Vulture Industries develop naturally, or was it more consciously crafted?

It developed naturally. We never had any conscious plan for what we were doing. The sound changed in pace with our skills, musical knowledge and aesthetic preferences, I guess. We've all been quite busy with music these last years, so we have all learned a thing or two along the way influencing our sound. To be honest I didn't like too much of the >DRG material, so when I got more and more involved with the songwriting, a change in direction was more or less inevitable.
When you were asked to join, was Øvind looking not just for a new vocalist but for a fresh creative perspective?
Partly. I wasn't the only new member at the time, though I've been the one most involved with the songwriting and thus had the biggest influence, I guess. First and foremost he was looking for a new singer. That was basically my role to begin with. At first I simply made new vocal lines for songs from the DRG era. My involvement escalated gradually and my role changed in the band. After a year, I had started writing material, and now, at least for The Dystopia Journals, I am the one writing the most material. I think Øyvind was also looking for a new start for the band, so the fresh musical perspective was welcomed, anyway.
After all the ups and downs the band had gone through previously, that would make sense. Is there a particular early song ("Soulcage," perhaps?) you wrote or co-wrote that was sort of a a wake-up call, pointing in the direction the band's sound ultimately took?
That would be "Soulcage." I wrote that one with Øyvind. About half the song each. That was perhaps the defining moment of the direction the band took, with the other songs from the first demo being more like intermediary songs floating around in the limbo between the two periods.
I like the extra funkiness it has [on the album] in comparison to the demo version.
We were a bit uncertain whether or not to include it, but decided to record it anyway. After taking a bit of a new perspective to it, it worked out nicely, I think.
Absolutely. Earlier, you mentioned the role of the band's aesthetic preferences. What sort of principles are at work in Vulture Industries' blending of styles. Is there a particular balance you're going for? Elements you consider crucial to be present, others you try to be more judicious with? Is the degree to which you are proggy, metallic, black, etc. a consideration?
We have no clearly defined lines nor boundaries. It's more or less based on the feeling of what fits into the entity we have created. First and foremost we are a metal band. Secondly the theatrical and proggy elements must remain. At least that's what we feel is correct at this point. Still, it might change in the future. We wish to make music we enjoy ourselves.
What can you tell us about new material you're working on? Have new directions been emerging since The Dystopia Journals was recorded? When do you expect to record a follow-up album?
We hope to enter the studio sometime after the summer this year and hopefully have a new album out early next year. The next album will follow the path we set with TDJ, and I guess fans of that one will also enjoy the next one. It will probably be a bit more homogeneous, though, as the songs are written within a shorter period of time. Vocally it will also be a bit more challenging and varied, as I now am a more experienced singer than when we wrote much of the stuff for TDJ.
I appreciate the vocal variety that does exist on TDJ, and would certainly welcome even more. You have a very unique singing style, both with your clean voice and with your growls and screams. On the extreme side in VI and more extensively in Black Hole Generator, you find ways of sounding evil/evoking darkness I've heard nowhere else. Would you say you have some special affinity with "the dark side" ;)?
He he! Thanks! I'm not completely sure how I do this. I guess it is because I try to detach myself from the suroundings when I sing and more or less become the lyrics. Thus, singing about apocalyptic visions with BHG makes me sound rather evil, I hope. He he! One technique I use for BHG that sounds quite "evil" is singing inwards. I don't think there are very many people doing that these days. He he! Instead of inhaling you exhale.
I know the sounds you're talking about. Truly demonic, and some of my favorite vocal parts on the [Black Karma] EP. In another interview you mentioned having done some acting. Maybe that experience accounts for your ability to convincingly personify what you're singing about.
Thanks. I guess so, yes. The fact that I exclusively played deluded madmen while acting also helps, I guess ;).
A natural, huh ;).
It seems to be my thing!
Programming and keyboards are also an area in which your gift for conjuring evil is evident. One version of the band bio mentions your use of vintage synthesizers? What do you find appealing about them?
I like keys in general, but prefer the ones having an expression of their own, like the Mellotron, the Hammond B4, the piano, etc. I'm not that fond of synthesizers trying to replicate other instruments, except for when they do it poorly or with a twist. I'm very fond of the Mellotron, which is basically an old-school sampler. Its beauty is in its flaws. It is a poor sampler by modern standards but sounds extremely melancholic. In general, vintage synthesizers and keyboards have a lot of personality. That is why I like them.
Having a "real" viola and cello on TDJ instead of just synthesized string sounds adds much personality and feeling also.
Definitely! It is a world of difference between the synth strings and those played by people. We will definitely continue using real strings where we need it.
In an interview for Nocturnal Horde, when asked about Hevein's rationale for using a real cello and violin, Leif Hedström said those instruments "sound beautiful and together they shit all over a synthesizer."
He he! Very accurate!
Are there particular types of emotions or states of mind that you find easier or more natural to express with sounds rather than words?
I'm not much for whining and complaining, so I guess frustration and melancholy are better channeled through music on my part.
You are, however, also very adept at expressing yourself verbally, as the lyrics for TDJ show. To what extent do you consider it a concept album?
Thanks! It was never intended to be a concept album, really, though as the album started taking shape, I realized there was a clear thread going through all the lyrics. Thus it could best be described as an unintended concept album.
Do you think of the character in the songs as an Everyman or as a more personal representation?
More of a personal representation. I guess he represents myself in some ways, relating somewhat to my darker moods, though in a much more extreme way.
Have you always been fascinated by the idea of inner demons?
I've always been quite fascinated by the duality of man and the darker sides of the mind, through literature, movies and real life. So yes.
What is the connection between the inner demons and [another of the album's themes] the pressure to conform and be "normal"?
I think the pressure to conform often turns against the individual, creating inner turbulence as the individual is pressured into a role [he/she] does not necessarily fit, resulting in inner conflict and in some cases what is categorized as insanity.
The song sequencing for TDJ works from a thematic as well as a musical standpoint. How tough was it to find this dynamic arrangement?
We jiggled the songs around a bit and eventually wound up with the sequence on the record. We felt it was very important to get the right dynamic and intensity on the album, and I feel we succeeded in making an album where every track is in its rightful place. The only problem we had was a ninth song that we didn't really know where to place. It was never really intended to be a VI song, but we wanted to try it out. It doesn't quite fit into the album, so we hid it as a small treat to those who wish to look for it.
[For those who haven't already found this hidden track, Bjørnar offers this hint: "It's called "Ende" and before a new beginning there must be. . . ?"]

Most of you are involved in multiple bands. Do you see this as a positive not just because it gives you alternate outlets for your creativity, but by expanding the dimensions of each band's sound: i.e., you consciously or unconsciously take what you're doing in one and adapt it to another somehow?

Definitely. Many of us are lucky to work with very talented musicians in other settings. This give us more arenas to play, try out ideas, and learn from others, thus expanding our musical horizons. On my own part I benefit tremendously from producing other bands.
A few of those bands you've produced are on Dark Essence Records (Dead to This World, Helheim, Deathcon [along with more recent signees Bourbon Flame and The Batallion]). Did this indirect association with the label make signing with them almost a given? Was there any contact with other labels?
The guys at Dark Essence Records have long been friends of ours, so there is a mutual trust between us. Thus, it was easy to sign with them, as we know they will come through on their promises. It's also good to have a local label, as this eases comunication. We were in contact with a couple of other labels, but of the ones who made us an offer, Dark Essence was an easy choice. These days I've also been helping them out with running things, so it is easy to maintain control over what is happening with the record.

So far we are very happy at DE, and I guess our next record will be out on the same label.

Sounds like a very good relationship. Having experience with running Piggtrådfestivalen, are you helping with organizing the Dark Essence Metal Festival coming up at the end of this month [Feb.], at which VI will be performing?
I'm in charge of the backline as well as helping out with other stuff, logistics, etc. I'm very much looking forward to the festival, so lets hope the turn-up is good!
I wish you great success with that and with VI's upcoming European tour. You must be very excited about this, and I imagine there are many fans eager to see you.
Thanks! We are very excited about doing our first proper tour. It will be great to get to do [so] many gigs and perform for audiences in different countries. We all love to play live, and this enthusiasm reflects when [we] are performing, so I guess we are pretty entertaining. I'm actualy visiting a tailor tomorrow who is sponsoring us with suits for the tour. We've received quite a lot of requests from fans who want to see us live, so I guess there will be a couple showing up to watch us :).
No doubt! What kind of suits will you be wearing, and what are VI's shows like?
[The suits are] slightly retro style. I'm not completely sure, really. I'll probably know more tomorrow. The shows are intense, theatrical and energetic, like our music ;).
As I would expect ;). If you had an unlimited budget and plenty of space to work with, what kind of stage show would you like to create, ideally?
I think we would hire the staff from A Nightmare Before Christmas to work on it for us. Lots of props and retro-horror-theatre like.
Very appropriate. Let's hope you get to do something at least partly like that.
We will one day!
Do you also have any dream projects for recording or producing?
I have a project called Dr. Rigomortus Tivoli Bizarre, which is much less metal and more Tom Waits, Devil Doll, Danny Elfman style. One day I will put up a retro horror musical with it including lots of musicians, actors and props in a big theatre!
I had wondered what Dr. Rigomortus Tivoli Bizarre was all about - sounds great! You've also mentioned having scored some films. What kind were they, and do you think you'll do more of that sort of thing?
The films I've scored have been short horror movies. It's all been low-budget stuff with no proper distribution, so I don't think they are very available. Some of the DRTB stuff has been used for that purpose.
I see. You also have Piggtrådfestivalen 2008 coming up in April. When do you expect to announce the bands?
Sometime next week. We are booking the bill these days.
I hope all goes well with that. Are there any other activities or anything else about VI you'd like to share with our readers?
Thanks! Good luck yourself! I think we have most of our activities covered.
OK, then. I thank you very much for your time and thoughtful responses!
Thank you for the attention :).
You're most welcome.

- Maud

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