VULTURE INDUSTRIES INTERVIEW
VULTURE INDUSTRIES - interview with Bjørnar E. Nilsen, February 2008
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Hailing from Bergen, Norway, Vulture Industries was assembled in 1998 under the original banner of Dead Rose Garden. 2003 marked the transformation into Vulture Industries, a result of several line-up changes within the ranks. 2007 saw the release of the band's debut album
The Dystopia Journals via Dark Essence Records. Recently the band conquered European stages together with Dark Fortress and Helheim.
--Vincent Eldefors, Editor
Hello! Thanks for
agreeing to do this interview, and congratulations on
a fantastic, critically acclaimed debut album.
No problem! Very glad to hear you like the album.
Thanks for the attention :).
It's my pleasure.
Once you became a member of the band, did the
evolution from the old Dead Rose Garden sound to what
we're hearing now with Vulture Industries develop
naturally, or was it more consciously crafted?
It developed naturally. We never had any conscious
plan for what we were doing. The sound changed in pace
with our skills, musical knowledge and aesthetic
preferences, I guess. We've all been quite busy with
music these last years, so we have all learned a thing
or two along the way influencing our sound. To be
honest I didn't like too much of the >DRG
material, so when I got more and more involved with
the songwriting, a change in direction was more or
less inevitable.
When you were asked to
join, was Øvind looking not just for a new vocalist
but for a fresh creative perspective?
Partly. I wasn't the only new member at the time,
though I've been the one most involved with the
songwriting and thus had the biggest influence, I
guess. First and foremost he was looking for a new
singer. That was basically my role to begin with. At
first I simply made new vocal lines for songs from the
DRG era. My
involvement escalated gradually and my role changed in
the band. After a year, I had started writing
material, and now, at least for The Dystopia
Journals, I am the one writing the most material.
I think Øyvind was also looking for a new start for
the band, so the fresh musical perspective was
welcomed, anyway.
After all the ups and
downs the band had gone through previously, that would
make sense. Is there a particular early song
("Soulcage," perhaps?) you wrote or co-wrote that was
sort of a a wake-up call, pointing in the direction
the band's sound ultimately took?
That would be "Soulcage." I wrote that one with
Øyvind. About half the song each. That was perhaps the
defining moment of the direction the band took, with
the other songs from the first demo being more like
intermediary songs floating around in the limbo
between the two periods.
I like the extra
funkiness it has [on the album] in comparison to the
demo version.
We were a bit uncertain whether or not to include it,
but decided to record it anyway. After taking a bit of
a new perspective to it, it worked out nicely, I
think.
Absolutely. Earlier,
you mentioned the role of the band's aesthetic
preferences. What sort of principles are at work in
Vulture Industries' blending of styles. Is there a
particular balance you're going for? Elements you
consider crucial to be present, others you try to be
more judicious with? Is the degree to which you are
proggy, metallic, black, etc. a consideration?
We have no clearly defined lines nor boundaries. It's
more or less based on the feeling of what fits into
the entity we have created. First and foremost we are
a metal band. Secondly the theatrical and proggy
elements must remain. At least that's what we feel is
correct at this point. Still, it might change in the
future. We wish to make music we enjoy ourselves.
What can you tell us
about new material you're working on? Have new
directions been emerging since The Dystopia
Journals was recorded? When do you expect to
record a follow-up album?
We hope to enter the studio sometime after the summer
this year and hopefully have a new album out early
next year. The next album will follow the path we set
with TDJ, and I guess fans of that one will
also enjoy the next one. It will probably be a bit
more homogeneous, though, as the songs are written
within a shorter period of time. Vocally it will also
be a bit more challenging and varied, as I now am a
more experienced singer than when we wrote much of the
stuff for TDJ.
I appreciate the vocal
variety that does exist on TDJ, and would
certainly welcome even more. You have a very unique
singing style, both with your clean voice and with
your growls and screams. On the extreme side in VI and
more extensively in Black Hole Generator, you find
ways of sounding evil/evoking darkness I've heard
nowhere else. Would you say you have some special
affinity with "the dark side" ;)?
He he! Thanks! I'm not completely sure how I do this.
I guess it is because I try to detach myself from the
suroundings when I sing and more or less become the
lyrics. Thus, singing about apocalyptic visions with
BHG makes me
sound rather evil, I hope. He he! One technique I use
for BHG that
sounds quite "evil" is singing inwards. I don't think
there are very many people doing that these days. He
he! Instead of inhaling you exhale.
I know the sounds
you're talking about. Truly demonic, and some of my
favorite vocal parts on the [Black Karma] EP.
In another interview you mentioned having done some
acting. Maybe that experience accounts for your
ability to convincingly personify what you're singing
about.
Thanks. I guess so, yes. The fact that I exclusively
played deluded madmen while acting also helps, I guess
;).
A natural, huh
;).
It seems to be my thing!
Programming and
keyboards are also an area in which your gift for
conjuring evil is evident. One version of the band bio
mentions your use of vintage synthesizers? What do you
find appealing about them?
I like keys in general, but prefer the ones having an
expression of their own, like the Mellotron, the
Hammond B4, the piano, etc. I'm not that fond of
synthesizers trying to replicate other instruments,
except for when they do it poorly or with a twist. I'm
very fond of the Mellotron, which is basically an
old-school sampler. Its beauty is in its flaws. It is
a poor sampler by modern standards but sounds
extremely melancholic. In general, vintage
synthesizers and keyboards have a lot of personality.
That is why I like them.
Having a "real" viola
and cello on TDJ instead of just synthesized
string sounds adds much personality and feeling
also.
Definitely! It is a world of difference between the
synth strings and those played by people. We will
definitely continue using real strings where we need
it.
In an interview for
Nocturnal Horde, when asked about Hevein's
rationale for using a real cello and violin, Leif
Hedström said those instruments "sound beautiful and
together they shit all over a synthesizer."
He he! Very accurate!
Are there particular
types of emotions or states of mind that you find
easier or more natural to express with sounds rather
than words?
I'm not much for whining and complaining, so I guess
frustration and melancholy are better channeled
through music on my part.
You are, however, also
very adept at expressing yourself verbally, as the
lyrics for TDJ show. To what extent do you
consider it a concept album?
Thanks! It was never intended to be a concept album,
really, though as the album started taking shape, I
realized there was a clear thread going through all
the lyrics. Thus it could best be described as an
unintended concept album.
Do you think of the
character in the songs as an Everyman or as a more
personal representation?
More of a personal representation. I guess he
represents myself in some ways, relating somewhat to
my darker moods, though in a much more extreme way.
Have you always been
fascinated by the idea of inner demons?
I've always been quite fascinated by the duality of
man and the darker sides of the mind, through
literature, movies and real life. So yes.
What is the connection
between the inner demons and [another of the album's
themes] the pressure to conform and be "normal"?
I think the pressure to conform often turns against
the individual, creating inner turbulence as the
individual is pressured into a role [he/she] does not
necessarily fit, resulting in inner conflict and in
some cases what is categorized as insanity.
The song sequencing
for TDJ works from a thematic as well as a
musical standpoint. How tough was it to find this
dynamic arrangement?
We jiggled the songs around a bit and eventually wound
up with the sequence on the record. We felt it was
very important to get the right dynamic and intensity
on the album, and I feel we succeeded in making an
album where every track is in its rightful place. The
only problem we had was a ninth song that we didn't
really know where to place. It was never really
intended to be a VI song, but we
wanted to try it out. It doesn't quite fit into the
album, so we hid it as a small treat to those who wish
to look for it.
[For those who haven't
already found this hidden track, Bjørnar offers this
hint: "It's called "Ende" and before a new beginning
there must be. . . ?"]
Most of you are involved in multiple bands. Do you see
this as a positive not just because it gives you
alternate outlets for your creativity, but by
expanding the dimensions of each band's sound: i.e.,
you consciously or unconsciously take what you're
doing in one and adapt it to another somehow?
Definitely. Many of us are lucky to work with very
talented musicians in other settings. This give us
more arenas to play, try out ideas, and learn from
others, thus expanding our musical horizons. On my own
part I benefit tremendously from producing other
bands.
A few of those bands
you've produced are on Dark Essence Records (Dead to
This World, Helheim, Deathcon [along with more recent
signees Bourbon Flame and The Batallion]). Did this
indirect association with the label make signing with
them almost a given? Was there any contact with other
labels?
The guys at Dark Essence Records have long been
friends of ours, so there is a mutual trust between
us. Thus, it was easy to sign with them, as we know
they will come through on their promises. It's also
good to have a local label, as this eases
comunication. We were in contact with a couple of
other labels, but of the ones who made us an offer,
Dark Essence was an easy choice. These days I've also
been helping them out with running things, so it is
easy to maintain control over what is happening with
the record.
So far we are very happy at DE, and I guess our next
record will be out on the same label.
Sounds like a very
good relationship. Having experience with running
Piggtrådfestivalen, are you helping with organizing
the Dark Essence Metal Festival coming up at the end
of this month [Feb.], at which VI will be
performing?
I'm in charge of the backline as well as helping out
with other stuff, logistics, etc. I'm very much
looking forward to the festival, so lets hope the
turn-up is good!
I wish you great
success with that and with VI's upcoming European
tour. You must be very excited about this, and I
imagine there are many fans eager to see you.
Thanks! We are very excited about doing our first
proper tour. It will be great to get to do [so] many
gigs and perform for audiences in different countries.
We all love to play live, and this enthusiasm reflects
when [we] are performing, so I guess we are pretty
entertaining. I'm actualy visiting a tailor tomorrow
who is sponsoring us with suits for the tour. We've
received quite a lot of requests from fans who want to
see us live, so I guess there will be a couple showing
up to watch us :).
No doubt! What kind of
suits will you be wearing, and what are VI's shows
like?
[The suits are] slightly retro style. I'm not
completely sure, really. I'll probably know more
tomorrow. The shows are intense, theatrical and
energetic, like our music ;).
As I would expect ;).
If you had an unlimited budget and plenty of space to
work with, what kind of stage show would you like to
create, ideally?
I think we would hire the staff from A Nightmare
Before Christmas to work on it for us. Lots of
props and retro-horror-theatre like.
Very appropriate.
Let's hope you get to do something at least partly
like that.
We will one day!
Do you also have any
dream projects for recording or producing?
I have a project called Dr. Rigomortus Tivoli
Bizarre, which is much less metal and more Tom
Waits, Devil
Doll, Danny Elfman style. One day I will put up
a retro horror musical with it including lots of
musicians, actors and props in a big theatre!
I had wondered what
Dr. Rigomortus Tivoli
Bizarre was all about - sounds great! You've
also mentioned having scored some films. What kind
were they, and do you think you'll do more of that
sort of thing?
The films I've scored have been short horror movies.
It's all been low-budget stuff with no proper
distribution, so I don't think they are very
available. Some of the DRTB stuff has been
used for that purpose.
I see. You also have
Piggtrådfestivalen 2008 coming up in April. When do
you expect to announce the bands?
Sometime next week. We are booking the bill these
days.
I hope all goes well
with that. Are there any other activities or anything
else about VI you'd like to share with our
readers?
Thanks! Good luck yourself! I think we have most of
our activities covered.
OK, then. I thank you
very much for your time and thoughtful
responses!
Thank you for the attention :).
You're most welcome.
- Maud